Reducing Costs Can Cost You Money-Part 2

0:00 Hi, I'm Mandelyn Royal, and I would like to welcome you to another episode of the Poultry Keepers podcast. Joining me in the studio are John Gunterman and Rip Stalvey, the rest of our podcast team, and we're looking forward to visiting with you and talking poultry from feathers to function. And when I say, weigh your birds. The standard dictates the weight for every breed and try to keep within those rate weight parameters within 20%, one way or the other, you'll be fine. But once you start going over that 20 percent too much in weight, you've got a problem going on.

0:46 And that tells you, you need to regulate the amount of feed your birds are consuming. And the only way that I know I have to do that effectively is that you limit the amount of feed you're feeding your birds. Average bird, whatever the average bird is, I'm not real sure at this point anymore. But, usually you can allow four ounces of feed per bird per day. And that, here again, that depends on the quality of your feed. I feed a real high quality feed. And I started mine out at four ounces per day once they matured. And it didn't take long before I realized, hey, this is too much feed. I got to cut them back.

1:27 And I'm down to the point now to where I'm feeding a little bit less than, Three ounces of feed per bird per day. It's about where I am now. I judge it by when they go to bed, I look at how much is left. I put enough out. So it's gone by the middle of the day. And then I put some out for the end of the day, just to fill their crops before they go to roost for the night. I think it's important though, that we should mention, this is all after grow out. This is post 16, 18, 20 weeks for that first minimum 16 weeks. I want to keep food and grit in front of them. And water at all times, as much as they can possibly get down whenever they want it.

2:08 Yeah. I generally pre feed all the way up until I get an egg. And then once I start seeing the egg, then I start I've come around to the idea of limiting their feed. I used to free choice feed everything all the time until I started running into that pickle when those girls get to be one year old, they're not laying when they should be. I start picking them up. They're obese, they're fat, they're not productive. And that's where I did start to see that value and monitor their condition and keep them a little on the lean side. Not bony or anything, but don't let them get fat. And keep them interested in foraging. They're like, Oh, we're out over here in the feeder.

2:50 Let's go look for bugs and worms. One ounce of feed doesn't sound like very much when you talk about savings, but when you figure you've got a bunch of mouths to feed, like 10 or plus feet, and Mandy, I don't know how many birds you've got, but that one ounce would be a substantial savings for you. Yeah, it adds up pretty quick. And right now when I'm in peak growth season, I have birds of all ages. I might be blowing through 1200 pounds a month. Yeah, that's a lot of ounces. That's a lot of ounces. You're exactly right. That's a lot of dollars.

3:31 I was pretty excited to see the drop in consumption just by changing the quality of our feed, because the cost wasn't that much more because I was spending anywhere from 19. 99 a bag up to 23 a bag. And that was for, mid tier crumble feeds. And then when I switched over to Jeff's formulas and I started getting it as a milled feed, it took the cost up to, what, like 26. 50 a bag. But I'm saving more money by spending a little more initially. It shows in the drop of consumption.

4:11 And then the birds are better on it. They have a different contentment to them. They don't. Look at me like they're still starving after eating half a feeder. And you probably get more eggs, better quality eggs that hatch easier, stronger chicks, better fertility. So it's not just cost much more, just a couple of bucks. I, yeah. I did some figuring on that. You're talking about how much it costs. And I compared my high end feed, which I'm paying the same thing you are about 2650 a bag, 50 pound bag to one over here at our local big box farm supply. That was I got the numbers right here.

4:52 Hang on. 23 a bag. Okay. So initially my feed cost me 3 more, roughly a bag, a little over 3 more a bag than the big box brand name. But when you figure out that your birds on this high quality feed are going to eat easily 20 to 25 percent less feed than when you're feeding those lesser quality feeds, they feel like they have to eat more because they're not getting the nutrition they need. But when you use a feed that is nutritionally dense, it's well formulated, it's balanced for their needs, it has the proper levels of amino acids, the proper levels of vitamins and minerals, They don't need to eat as much feed.

5:35 And it's fresh and delicious and nutritious. But when I factored all of that in, okay, you know how much more it cost me to feed a bird than on the feed I'm using versus what I could get in the store? Oh, the other way. Cost me about a penny more per day. To use a high quality feed. But then with the improved hatch rates and the improved quality, that turns into additional gain. Additional revenue. Yeah, sure. Better egg production. 10 percent bump in your hatch rate by feeding better. And you're getting 10 percent more chicks. That makes that little penny more totally worth it.

6:16 And, people who are, they have hens to lay eggs. Higher quality feed is going to give you not only more nutritious eggs, it's going to give you more eggs in the long run, because you're going to see your production bump up. If you go from a lower quality feed to a high quality feed, the notice and the changes will be pretty dramatic. Especially on grow out, because naturally the body cavity is going to develop better and stronger and More appropriate to the laying the bird's just going to be bigger and healthier and better developed. And Mandy, you've been doing, although I think you've about wrapped up your feed study right now, basically Mandy can tell you, she can reaffirm what we're just talking about, that you get more growth, more body development.

7:01 I'm so excited. I'm doing a second trial. I just put the eggs in the incubator yesterday. Oh, good for you. I knew that was coming. I only said 106 eggs though. Okay. Only. Only. Only. Hey, you know what? That's a smaller number. You should try my little experiment about weighing all the chicks every day for the first three weeks. Oh, that sounds tedious. It is, but there is so much valuable information in a friend of mine was weighing her chicks daily, and it was really neat to see just how big of gains they can actually do in a single day. Yes. When they're eating good and they're getting everything they need, daily gains.

7:43 They're like little balloons filling up. It's almost scary how fast they can grow. Yeah. And then if you look at them. Across their cohort, by the end of three weeks, you can tell who your rock stars are and who can be sold off as a, still a very good, started chick. More suitable to just do breakfast eggs. Yeah. Yeah. Mandy, have you gotten to the point yet where you've totaled any numbers? For example, I know you try to process your birds about 16 weeks, if I remember correctly. Yeah, and I still need to weigh all of our carcasses and get everything in front of me in the spreadsheet. I still have my scribbles. I understand that.

8:23 I was just wondering, are you seeing better fleshing at 16 weeks on this new feed or are they attaining better fleshing in less than 16 weeks? There was a lot of variation because the genetics were so diverse. I use there was like four different genetic families involved. Total. And the birds that normally grow well, grew better. And the others, I didn't have experience with them before, so I don't know what they were doing before. So that's why I'm immediately jumping right back into a trial using just one family of genetics. And then I can compare the new data with the old data and then also see how this batch does from birds that I'm a lot more familiar with.

9:07 I know they've done it in the past. That will be the telling study, I think. Yeah. Because then you're comparing apples to apples, not apples and oranges. But it, that first trial did let me work all the kinks out and figure out how to do it better. We always learn and we always realize that no matter how much we know, we didn't know as much as we thought we knew. That's my profound statement for the day. We talked about high quality feed and low quality feed, bargain feeds. And if you're unsure that if you're looking at one, look at the feed tag, you can learn a lot from the feed tag. And don't just stop at the protein, and the fat, and the fiber.

9:48 Read the entire tag. Especially those ingredients. Oh, yeah. It's just as important, sometimes I think it's probably a little bit more important, than the total amount of protein is the levels of the amino acids lysine and methionine. If there's not enough lysine and mycyanine, you're not going to get good growth on your birds. Just absolutely no way. You're not going to get healthy chicks out of the egg. And it affects not only the body growth, but it affects the feathers, feathers are protein, let's face it. What are proteins? Amino acids. It's going to in fact, excuse me.

10:29 It's going to impact not only the bodies and the feathers, but like John was saying, the health, and you're going to get more hatchability, more vigorous chicks that hatch. It's just a snowball effect. It doesn't just start here and stop. It just keeps, it's one of those things that just keeps going and going and going in so many areas. It's, it was amazing to me. When I've said this before, it's when I stopped trying to save money on feed is when I actually started saving money on feed. I'm glad you brought that up. I started sprinkling this magic Fertrell breeder supplement powder over my, all flock starter crumbles and all of a sudden I'm going, wow, these chicks are very different.

11:17 Then the chicks two weeks ago in the previous batch, there's something going on here and then the grit we got, we have not brought up grit yet, except once that is so important. Yeah, I know, but there's no way you're putting all this beautiful nutrition down into your chickens and without grit in the gizzard and proper gizzard function to grind and masticate and extract all this goodness, it's just going out the back end. We say 10 percent more are savings just from adding grit that would just otherwise be going right out the back end of your chicken.

11:58 I saw a report fairly recently that they did on broilers where they didn't get 10%. They had a 15 percent improvement in feed efficiency. Just from feeding grit. Grit's cheap and it works wonders. Even, they say sometimes on the internet that if you feed a crumble you don't need grit and that's not true. Malarkey. Not true at all. We need to do a chicken myth busting episode. There's a few things I just want to smash apart. Next time. That would be fun. Oyster shell can be substituted for grit. Wrong answer. Not even. Not true. And I had someone contact me the other day that was wanting to know about limestone grit.

12:42 No! No, that's just about as bad as oyster shells. Almost as bad, just a notch in between. And the reason we say they're not good, those are fairly soft materials. What we're talking about is granite. Good old, hard as my head, granite. And you may not know this from right here in Berry, Vermont, beautiful. The color of the grit can make a difference too. I learned this from Jeff that most chickens don't like to eat red grit, not cherry stone grit. They much prefer the white grit. Yeah. And somebody came on and verified, said, my birds will not eat cherry grit.

13:24 They'll go without it, but it's chickens are funny and the more I learn about them, the funnier it gets sometimes. But and it's the little things that can improve the efficiency, that can improve the overall health and welfare of our birds and the production long term. We're not just telling you, we're not, we're telling you folks, this kind of stuff to save you time, to save you money, to save you effort, because trust me, I have made every single error and every single mistake we're going over today, at least twice, usually multiple times, but yeah, I thought that was impressive where they were saving or getting 15 percent better feed efficiency, feeding the birds grit.

14:08 Don't wait till they are mature. Heck no. You want to start immediately. Day old chicks, give them grit. Sprinkle it on top of their feed. I am mixing chick grit into the, my starter feed, which literally putting inside my hatcher. So the chicks are coming out of the eggs and they're falling into a pile of food and grit. And there's a water. I've tried top dressing with chick grit. The first day I just sprinkle it right on top. So it's the first thing they see. I read a study where it said that if it was mixed into the feed, it was like a certain percentage more efficient. And since I'm mixing my own feed anyways I'm buying my grains whole, weighing them out, cracking them or grinding them and doing the whole thing.

14:53 I can mix it in at the same time. It is real easy for me to say, Oh, I need, 10 percent grit. And this is a hundred pound batch. So 10 pounds of grit gets thrown in. And grit is not expensive. It's not. And what it brings, it's the easiest way to save money on your food bill and make healthier chickens. Yes. And if you're not doing it, I'm going to quote Jeff. You're just being cruel to your birds. They really are. It, do they have a gizzard for a reason? Use it. We got sidetracked, but we were talking about what's in your feed. All right. If you see things like plant byproducts, if you see anything that says byproducts, that's mean it's previously been used for something else.

15:38 And this is the leftovers. You'll see distiller grain byproducts. That's already gone through the cooking fermentation process and had been nutrients removed. Those are fillers. They're fairly inexpensive to use and feed. And some feed absolutely has to have. Fillers in it. If you're buying pellets. Pellets. And if you're getting crumbles. It's a binder. It has to. Yeah. You can't make a pellet without that binder. And here's another irony. You mentioned crumble. First they make the pellet, then they bust it up to make crumble. Just leave it alone. And I can remember when crumble was about all you could get.

16:20 And I asked, I knew the company made a pellet. I priced it. It was 3 more for a bag of pellets. I never did figure that one out because that's got to have pellets to make the crumples, but okay, whatever. Now that I've been feeding just this coarse mash, my birds are loving life. I'm loving life. I'm able to actually go around to my local farmers because I live in a very rural agrarian area and buy, corn and wheat and barley and oats when it's seasonably available from my neighbors and store it. Right now they're all in 55 gallon. Steel cans. I did run short on corn, so I had to run up to E. M. Brown and Sons and buy another 200 pounds, but I'm still great on all the other ingredients.

17:04 That's good. A friend of mine is trying to get me to bring home his silo. It's an actual, stand up. Oh, there you go. It's a whole thousand pounds at least. It's a pretty good size. I was like so what? I can make corn hole and store it indefinitely. Yes. I was looking. And then you get at a different silo for each ingredient. Uhhuh. as long as they're whole, you can use the IBC totes and as long as they're kept dry, soon as it's ground, do not store your feed in an IBC tote. It's gonna mold instantly. Worst idea ever, but keep your grain whole, you get a screw auger feed system, great storage solution. What can you do if you can't find a good quality feed and that happens very regularly?

17:50 That's where the supplements come into play, I think. Exactly. You can make your own, you can have it custom made. Or, you can use a feed supplement, and there's two good ones on the market right now that I highly recommend. One is the Fertrell Breeder and Showbird supplement, and the other one is Kerry Blackman's ShowPro supplement. Both were formulated, developed by Jeff Maddox. They're good stuff. For the specific purpose. Yes. The Show Pro, if you're into showing birds, it has some added cysteine, the amino acid cysteine for improving your feather quality a little bit, if you have that concern with your birds, plus it has a couple of other ingredients that are not in the Fertrell product.

18:37 You think, Oh, that's expensive. Yeah. But it's one of those things. Yeah. The Fertrell stuff's not 50 bucks for 10 pounds, but you use such a small amount for an average large fowl, you're only feeding them a teaspoon of that stuff a day. Yeah, you better keep that in the freezer along with your coffee because you're probably not going to use it all before it ages out and it keeps perfectly in the freezer. And it will greatly improve your birds. I know the first time I tried it, I was feeding nutrient feed and I was basically clueless about Fertrell supplement and all that kind of stuff. And Jeff Maddox talked me into trying it.

19:19 Yup. That's how he got me. I noticed a change in my bird in about three days and then it just kept getting better and better and better. It's one of those investments that can save you money and give you better, stronger, healthier birds in the long run. We talked about the feed and the supplements and their nutrition to help them be as productive as possible, but there's still another way where things get lost, which is if they're wasting. Oh yeah. Yeah. There's a lot in the feeder type, which you ran into on your grow out in this feed trial. Yeah, that was something I didn't anticipate. And then, There's so many nuances to providing the feed to the bird.

19:59 Why don't you explain what happened during the feed trial? So I had just the basic round gravity style feeders, and I have them in multiple sizes, from one pound all the way up to eleven pounds. And I've historically only ever been feeding a crumble. And there was no issue with the flow of that feed getting to that bottom trough. But when I started with the new chick starter that was milled and really fine for the chicks it didn't flow down to the bottom trough. It just hung in the gravity part and didn't flow. And it took me a couple of days where I would lift it up and shake it. And I was thinking that, that's weird.

20:41 But then. I saw it just, it didn't flow. It didn't move through. So it's a whole other type of feeder that I need to invest in, in order to feed that style of feed. And I'm going to have to do the trough styles where it can spread out, which actually is better for the birds. And it gives everybody more shoulder room to access that feeder. Then that then reduces your competition. Which then gives you a more even and consistent flock result, as it turns out. And you've seen from your friends weigh data, that even now, hours without feed can make a difference in those. Yeah it didn't seem like it was that much, but when I compared notes with another friend of mine using our genetics, He was averaging 30 grams heavier for a little weak old chick.

21:33 That's a lot. That's everything. Yeah. Where I saw 65 grams, he saw a hundred, 110 grams. When you first told me that, Mandelyn, I thought, and I got to thinking, I don't remember seeing a tube type feeder until early to mid 60s, and that's just about the time that you started seeing a lot of crumbles hit the market. Up until that time, everything was mash feed and everything was fed in a trough. Ah, makes sense now. And I could be off on those dates a little bit.

22:13 I'm getting to be an old geezer and I don't often remember things as I should. But, and I remember going up to a gentleman up here that lived north of me, Ed Little, and he had, oh, I don't know, five, 600 Rhode Island red commercial birds and his feeders, they were homemade, nothing wrong with a homemade feeder. They worked great. He made them out of one by eights and they were just, Eight foot long, just three boards open on the top where the birds could access to feed. He would not feed, fill them over halfway to help lessen feed waste or lessen the feed waste because if you've ever watched your birds, they are great at sorting through and billing through feed to expose those choice bits.

23:00 A choice bit to a bird is the larger pieces first and things that look good. Yellow, corn, they're little piggies and they don't have hands. They can't sort through them and they can't get into the feeder and scratch. So what do they use? They use your bilk, beak and they like to try to peck and then they jerk their head back to expose a little bit of feed. So if you can increase the height of your feeder, you can help reduce that. Know a lot of folks are using a PVC, piece of PVC pipe, six inch PVC pipe. My birds threw 50 pounds on the floor so fast using those PVC feeder designs.

23:41 Flipped their heads back and forth. I learned a trick to dealing with that. Did you cut yours in half when you made the feeder? No, I did the tube going up and then the elbow coming out at about a 45 degree angle upward. That was supposed to prevent That from happening? Doesn't. I put grates down so they have to go through the grate to get to the food. That can work and they make you can buy plastic feed grates or you can make it out of some half by one inch wire. But I was talking to a friend of mine out in Washington, no, Oregon, and we were talking about PVC pipe feeders.

24:24 And he said, When he first made some, he hated them because he took a six inch piece of pipe and cut it halfway down, made two feeders out of it, where you got this kind of wide ish trough that's really not very deep, but it has these straight sides on it. He said he finally dawned on him to only cut about the top third off that piece of pipe, so he had curved sides, that as the birds would flick the feed back towards them, it would fall back in. It wouldn't go out. Oh, that's a good idea. Of the feeder itself.

25:04 And then he also rigged a no roost pole that goes across there where they, some folks complain my birds get in the feeder, the trough style feeders. Just put a round dowel works good, piece of PVC pipe, but have it where it will spin free and hang it over the feed. Give them just enough room to get their head in there, but not enough room that they can get in there and make a mess with it. And that can be as simple as running a piece of sturdy cable with the pipe over that. That makes it real loosey goosey. As soon as they try to jump on it, they slide right off. I was talking about Mr. Little earlier. I remember his feeders, he had taken strips of wooden glass, like they used to put plaster up with.

25:50 And He'd cut squares, I don't know, they seemed like they were about three inches square for each end, and then he'd run strips of lath back and forth, he had one on the side, one on the top, one on the bottom, both sides, top and bottom, and he had fixed it, Had just driven a nail in there and then drilled a hole in the end of the, extended his feeder board up, drilled a hole in that to where it would just sit there and spin, just as free as it could be, just like it was on Berry. The birds could get on it, it didn't throw them right off, but it would eventually, it would spin them around and keep them off. Now, one of my favorite ways to save on feed is always keeping my eye out for the unproductive birds, the ones who just never grow up to be the best.

26:36 No slackers. Yeah, the slackers, the ones who didn't fill in well, they were always puny, they maybe only put out two or three eggs a week. Just the least productive birds are the ones we invite to the freezer first. They need to go. They need to go. They're costing you money, big dollars, and I know you can get attached to birds and all that, but it's something you really have to do, and with our economy the way it is here, that if those less productive birds are not removed from the flock, your prices are going to go out of sight for feed. I'm not keeping any bird past 32 weeks of age unless she's laying five eggs a week.

27:19 At least five. I like to see six, but Six would be great. I had one last year that laid seven. Didn't take a pause. For how long? Overachiever. Yeah, non stop. That's the one you definitely want to hatch from. I set every egg she laid for two months. See, that brings up another point, though. It's so hard to overhatch and get yourself into a bind. Oh, it's not hard to overhatch. It's hard to control yourself and keep yourself from overhatching. It is. It is. There's Hatchaholics support groups. I'm not joking about this. I'm guilty of it. I'm, I can't point fingers and say, I can't do that because I'd have to point right back at me.

28:00 Yeah. So budget for the number of birds you can afford to raise, try to hold yourself to that budget and promote marital harmony and fiscal responsibility and all those important things. Another thing that comes to mind Let's face it, we all to spoil our birds. We all like to give them treats. It's not The best thing for your birds. It's not a healthy choice. It costs you money. Okay. Yeah. And I if you were to start reducing their treats, they're going to look at you with that sorry, pitiful look on their face and try to lay the guilt trip on you, but don't knuckle under. Limit treats to no more than 10 percent of the bird's daily intake of food.

28:45 Okay. If your bird, if you're feeding four ounces of bird four ounces of feed per bird. And don't just say I'll just throw them a handful of corn. How much does that handful of corn weigh? Or I'll throw out a handful of mealworms. How much do those mealworms weigh? Deduct that from the amount of feed. But also look what it's doing to the nutritional profile for the day. Screwing it all up. It's throwing it out of balance. And now I've convinced my birds that if I take a handful of their regular feed and I wet it and I mash it up into a little ball and I throw it, they're That's the best treat in the whole wide world. They think it's something spectacular. Anytime you turn that bag around and you read it, it says feed as a sole ration.

29:27 Yes. And then when you look at that analysis and it says, this is your protein. This is your fat. This is your lysine. This is your, all of those little levels is based on the assumption that they're not eating anything else, right? Everything you add takes away from that analysis. Exactly of what they're actually taking in. I've never seen give them a giant head of iceberg lettuce to keep'em entertained. They're getting zero nutrition from it. Yeah. Unless you're buying a nutritional supplement from a supplement maker, you're not supplementing their diet by feeding them kitchen scraps or anything else. Some people I've seen where they do warm oatmeal as a treat in the wintertime, but when you look at the nutritional profile of oatmeal, it's backwards.

30:13 There's really not a whole lot in there. If you want to feed them something, if you want to feed them something warm, just take some of your feed and add hot water to it. That's it. Yeah. They'll hug your neck if you do that. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, sure. Hey, do either one of you guys have anything else you want to cover? I think we've pretty well gone through our outline here. The difference that a little free range can make if you can keep them safe. Oh yeah. When they go out and find the live bugs, because what some people don't realize when you get that little bag of dried out mealworms, it doesn't have the amino proteins in there for nutrition. They're a dried out shell of a husk with incomplete proteins.

30:56 So the nutrition isn't there, but you give them a live bug. Now you're talking. That's right. And from the culinary perspective, this access to pasture is where all your flavor comes from. And all the wonderful things that are supposed to be beautiful about a heritage chicken are going to start expressing themselves. If they're just on a bag, boring feed their entire life they're not going to taste that amazing as a chicken, they're going to taste and even the color of the yolk and the egg, when they start getting those dark leafy greens, you start seeing that real dark orange yolk. Oh, the carotenoid pigments are amazing.

31:38 Yeah. And the yolk stands so tall in the pan when you're cooking them. I almost hate to break the yolk, but I like to have it broken in my sandwich a little bit. I saw a picture of an egg yolk the other day. That was a light cream color at best. I've seen white yolks before. Those are so unappetizing to me. I'm sorry. I like a good strong yellow, white, orange yolk. But that's really we talk about that, taste of place, terroir in the kitchen, in the culinary world. And that's where that's coming from is access to nature, the sun, the rain, the bugs, the worms, the dirt, the soil.

32:19 That's how a chicken should chicken. That's part of being a chicken. That's exactly right. And the more feed they go find on their own out of that nutrient dense environment, the less of the bag stuff they're going to have. John and Mandy, I appreciate you so much today. Y'all did a really good job. I had fun. I hope you two did. And I hope our listeners had a good time and learned something from us today. I just hope we save some people time because it can take a lot of time to learn. You didn't save any money at all actually, you spent a lot more, you spun your wheels for a little while, you scrambled for a little while, let us save you that time and just do it the best way you can afford and it will help your birds a lot.

33:05 It will. And you will be a much happier camper because of it. Yeah. Trust me. Yeah. And we've stayed away from, oh, nevermind. Go ahead, close it up. I would just say we stayed away from my trigger point. I wasted two semesters on fermented feed. Let's save that for its whole other rant. That's another can of worms. Yeah. Next time, take us home. All right. Folks, we are so glad you joined us today for this podcast show from the Poultry Keepers Podcast. We're happy to have you with us and it's our listeners that keep us going and keep us wanting to do this because we hear from them on a regular basis, how much they appreciate it.

33:45 And, recently we just reached 25, 000 downloads. And I can remember the first episode we did. I was ecstatic when we got 25 downloads. We've crossed the year mark now very strongly. It's almost, I think Mandy joined us not long after we started. I remember visiting her place on 4th of July last year. I just started saying, I want to say it was in late July when she came on. Yeah. I was bringing her some birds, four episodes or so. Huh. Yeah, wasn't much. Wasn't much. We're gonna wrap it up. I'm gonna let my partners here get on with their daily routines, and I'll get on with mine.

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